SuperB News

15 Trainees from 15 different countries studied bees in Malta during the last Super-B training school

Fri, 09 Mar 2018 12:04:00 +0200

15 Trainees from 15 different countries studied bees in Malta last week under the supervision of Denis Michez, Nico Vereecken, Stuart Roberts, Achick Dorchin and host and teacher Mario Balzan.

While very successful, unfortunately, this was also the last training school within the Super-B project.

STSM's Call Open: An opportunity for early stage researchers, particularly PhD's and Postdocs

Wed, 14 Jun 2017 09:55:00 +0300

Deadline STSM's: 31 July 2017!

Short-term scientific missions (STSM's) are exchange visits between researchers involved in a COST Action, allowing scientists to visit an institution or laboratory in another COST country. They are aimed at fostering collaboration, sharing new techniques and infrastructure that may not be available in other participants' institutions or laboratories. STSM are intended especially for young researchers.

Note: Every STSM has to take place between 15 August 2017 and end before 20 March 2018.

Special addition to the call

Because this is the last possibility for STSM's in this COST Action, we also want to advertise STSM's that would really help contribute to the goals of the different working groups (see end of this call). If you're interested in the advertised STSM's, please contact the person listed with it.

What you need to do to reply to this call?

Please encourage young researchers to use this opportunity and let them fill in this document online and submit it before the 31 of July. To do so you need to create an e-cost profile if you don't have one already. You can register on the same page. Our action number is FA1307. Besides filling in this document online, please send the following documents to both the STSM coordinator prof. Ahmet Murat Aytekin (aytekinahmetmurat@gmail.com) and the chair prof. Koos Biesmeijer (koos.biesmeijer@naturalis.nl) with the Super-B address in cc (super-b@naturalis.nl):

· a copy of the COST form you submitted online

· a motivational letter (max 400 words)

· CV

· List of publications

· Detailed work plan for your STSM

· Supporting letters from your supervisor at home and the host supervisor on your STSM location

After 31 of July, the STSM coordinator and the core group will evaluate all those who applied. As soon as all applications have been reviewed we will let you know who will receive an STSM grant.

The rules

Please read the rules conncected to an STSM grant as written down in the COST Vademecum carefully, starting on page 30. You can read there what you can and cannot receive reimbursement for.

An important point: Every grantee must submit a report of the STSM to the coordinator of the STSM (cc to the chair) within 30 days after the end date of the STSM. Failure to submit the report will result in cancellation of the grant!
The report should contain:

Short (half page) summary of the report
Purpose of the STSM;
Description of the work carried out during the STSM;
Description of the main results obtained in light of the objectives of the SUPER-B action;
Future collaboration with the host institution (if applicable);
Foreseen publications/articles resulting from the STSM (if applicable);
Confirmation by the host institution of the successful execution of the STSM.

The length of the report should not exceed 5 pages. The summary of the report will be posted on the SUPER-B web page once the report is approved by the coordinator of the STSM and SUPER-B chair. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to ask!

WG 1&2 Crop and region specific pollinator management recommendations. Management recommendations for functional groups of different crops and/or different regions would be developed based on Kleijn (2015). Delivery of crop pollination services is an insufficient argument for wild pollinator conservation and Garibaldi (2015). Trait matching of flower visitors and crops predicts fruit set better than trait diversity. The output would be a publication. The STSM candidate would visit Mike Garratt (Reading Uni ). This would complement earlier work in WG2 to progress tasks "Assess variability of main pollinators across different crops and regions" and "Compile information on pollinator management practices".

WG 4 To determine whether managed and wild bee populations respond differentially to drivers of decline. The STSM would dive into the overlap of Epilobee, COLOSS data and red lists. People involved: Peter Neumann: Spatial and temporal patterns to honey bee decline in Europe, Stuart Roberts: The European red list of bees: gathering the data, Denis Michez: Spatial and temporal patterns to wild bee decline in Europe.

WG 4 To explore new mechanisms for detecting stress in wild and honey bees

This STSM would consist of a literature review of genetic markers to a variety of stressors. A mechanistic understanding of interactions among stressors with Orlando Yañez.

Job Alert: A new project is looking for four Graduate Scientists

Thu, 01 Jun 2017 18:37:00 +0300

A new project is looking for four Graduate Scientists (for Ph-D intership) and one Post-Doctoral Scientist to participate to a project on "Conservation of pollinator diversity for enhanced climate change resilience" within ICARDA Biodiversity and Integrated Gene Management Program. This project shall integrate Farming with Alternative Pollinators (FAP) approach in the MENA-region. The position is based at ICARDA’s North Africa platform in Rabat, Morocco. More information in these files for Ph-D candidate and postdoc. Want even more information? Please contact Denis Michez (denis.michez@umons.ac.be)

For more infomation and to apply, please download the documents below:

Research Internship

Post Doc Position

Super-B Training School in Cyprus

Wed, 05 Apr 2017 18:32:00 +0300

Super-B organized a Training School in Cyprus in March. This was an European Bee Course where 20 students (from 16 different countries) learned to recognize and identify different bee species. The course was organized by Denis Michez with help of Menelaos Stavrinides and Androulla Varnava from Cyprus. Trainers of this course were Denis himself, Nico Vereecken, Stuart Roberts and Achick Dorchin.

Group photo of the participants at the Super-B Training School.

The course was a big success and we already start to plan the next course in the spring of 2018 in Malta. Keep an eye out for the announcements of this course if you want to participate next year!

Job Alert: Post-Doctoral Research Assistant, University of Dublin

Tue, 25 Oct 2016 17:50:00 +0300

A Post-Doctoral Research Assistant (PDRA) is required to work on the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) funded project "POLLIVAL: assessing market and nonmarket

values of pollination services in Ireland" led by Professor Jane Stout in School of Natural Sciences, Trinity College Dublin. The position is available for up to 2 years, with a start date of 1st January 2017.

Qualifications

PhD in Ecosystem Service Valuation, or relevant Ecology, Geography or
Environmental Economics subject
MSc/BSc in Natural or Social Science

Skills and Competencies

Essential

Broad knowledge and interest in biodiversity and ecosystem services, pollination ecology, environmental economics and natural capital approach to nature conservation.
Excellent communication skills (written and verbal), with a track record of publishing peer-review journal papers.
Excellent ability to assemble and critically analyse relevant literature and datasets; excellent data handling skills.
Excellent organisation and task management skills, ability to prioritise tasks and meet deadlines; be capable of working on own initiative and have the ability to prioritise tasks and work under time constraints. Enthusiastic, flexible and willing to work outside usual office hours when required. Interpersonal skills: ability to work effectively as part of a team – tolerant, cordial and willing to help others.
A pro-active approach to work, anticipating and resolving problems in advance and attention to detail.
Highly motivated with a ‘can-do’ attitude, and commitment to the project.

Desirable

Experience of pollination services research.
Experience in managing research budgets and reporting.
Experience in supervising MSc/BSc project students.

For more infromation about the position and how to apply, please see the official job offer.

SuperB identifies actions to 'future-proof' pollinators

Tue, 30 Aug 2016 12:12:00 +0300

The following text is taken from this BBC Environment web page, author: Helen Briggs

International scientists are calling for action to "future-proof" the prosperity of pollinating insects, birds and mammals.

They say agricultural expansion, new pesticides and emerging viruses present the biggest risks in coming decades.

And the bats that pollinate plants in tropical and desert climates need legal protection, they report in PeerJ.

Some 35% of global crop production and more than 85% of wild flowering plants rely to some degree on pollination.

The research took a horizon-scanning approach to identify future issues of concern over the next three decades.

Threats and opportunities

"At the moment with pollinators, it's always about mitigation...we're always playing catch-up," said Prof Mark Brown of Royal Holloway University of London, who led the research.

"The world is changing very fast, agricultural practices are changing, the way humans live is changing and that could unleash a whole range of future opportunities for pollinators but also threats to them," he added.

"By looking into the future - by horizon-scanning - we hope to identify those, to actually enable policy and practice that grows as those changes occur, and so rather than trying to go back and fix a problem we stop the problems from happening in the first place."

The study by 17 scientists, government researchers and NGOs identified six main issues:

Corporate control of agriculture at the global scale - with a small number of companies controlling land use, there are opportunities to protect pollinators but concerns that homogenous land use could damage diversity
A new class of insecticides known as sulfoximines (for example, sulfoxaflor) - the researchers say these must be tested for sub-lethal affects on wild pollinators
New emerging viruses
Using bees other than the honeybee to pollinate managed crops - this may have advantages, but risks need to be assessed
Effects of extreme weather/climate change
Reduced chemical use outside agriculture - opportunities to build on this on a larger scale for the benefits of pollinating insects.

The experts said consolidation of the agri-food industries was the single biggest threat to pollinators.

"This homogenisation of agricultural practices effectively means that corporates are applying blanket production systems to landscapes that are vastly different, significantly reducing the diversity and number of native pollinators," said Sarina Jepsen, deputy chair of the IUCN bumblebee specialist group.

However, the study also highlighted positive opportunities for protecting pollinators, such as reducing chemical use in gardens and parks or by working with corporations on management strategies.

Lynn Dicks of the University of Cambridge, a co-researcher on the study, said identifying environmental issues in advance, before they became large scale, allowed society to plan responses and reduce environmental risks.

"Many of the pollinator issues we identified on the horizon can be responded to right now, for example by working with corporations already controlling large areas of agricultural land to develop pollinator management strategies, or by planning research on the sub-lethal effects of sulfoxaflor before it is widely used," she said.

The research was funded by the EU-funded Super-B network.

SUPER-B MC meeting, workshops and Conference, Cluj, Romania

Mon, 29 Aug 2016 10:46:00 +0300

Super-B is holding two full-day workshops, the first ever Super-B Conference and the MC meeting to discuss new plans for the last grant period of Super-B. The events will take place on 5 & 6 September 2016 in Cluj, Romania.

Programme

September 5th
9.30-10.00h.
Registration (10 EUR fee for every day you want to have lunch)

WG1&3 Workshop on Ecological Focus Areas for Pollinators

10.00-17.15h.
Note: only accesible when accepted by Lorna Cole!
Organized by Lorna Cole, Lynn Dicks and Jane Stout

For more information click here

WG 4 workshop: Interactions amongst drivers across species
10.00 - 17.15h
Note: only accesible when accepted by Robert Paxton!
Chaired by Robert Paxton and Peter Neumann

For more information click here

September 6th:
8.45-9.00h.
Registration (10 EUR fee for every day you want to have lunch)

Super-B Conference

9.00-16.00h.
Accesible to everybody
We are very glad that so many of you are willing to present your work on the first ever Super-B conference!

When you are preparing your talk, please make sure that your talk will take no more than 10 minutes! We have a very tight schedule and an MC meeting planned at the end of the day.

For the schedule of the conference click here

MC Meeting
16.00 - 18.00. MC members only

STSM's applications open until 15 Aug 2016: An opportunity for early stage researchers,

Tue, 28 Jun 2016 12:50:00 +0300

Application for STSM's is open until 15 August 2015, providing and opportunity for early stage researchers, particularly PhD's and Postdocs. Every STSM has to take place between 10 September 2016 and 30 April 2017.

Young researchers are encouraged to use this opportunity. To apply they have to fill in a document online and submit it before 15 August. To do they need to create an e-cost profile if you don't have one already. (Super B action number is FA130)

Besides filling in this document online, the following documents should be sent to both the STSM coordinator prof. Ahmet Murat Aytekin (aytekinahmetmurat@gmail.com) and the chair prof. Koos Biesmeijer (koos.biesmeijer@naturalis.nl) with the Super-B adress in cc (super-b@naturalis.nl):

a copy of the COST form you submitted online
a motivational letter (max 400 words)
CV
List of publications
Detailed work plan for your STSM
Supporting letters from your supervisor at home and the host supervisor on your STSM location

After 15 August, the STSM coordinator and the core group will evaluate all those who applied. As soon as all applications have been reviewed we will let you know who will receive an STSM grant (probably after the MC meeting on September 6th).

The rules

Please read the rules conncected to an STSM grant as written down in the COST Vademecum carefully, starting on page 30. You can read there what you can and cannot receive reimbursement for.

An important point: Every grantee must submit a report of the STSM to the coordinator of the STSM (cc to the chair) within 30 days after the end date of the STSM. Failure to submit the report will result in cancellation of the grant
The report should contain:

Short (half page) summary of the report
Purpose of the STSM;
Description of the work carried out during the STSM;
Description of the main results obtained in light of the objectives of the SUPER-B action;
Future collaboration with the host institution (if applicable);
Foreseen publications/articles resulting from the STSM (if applicable);
Confirmation by the host institution of the successful execution of the STSM.

The length of the report should not exceed 5 pages.

For more information: super-b@naturalis.nl

Article Alert: Do not divide count data with count data; A story from pollination ecology with implications beyond

Fri, 22 Apr 2016 17:41:00 +0300

A new article published in PLOS ONE takes pollination ecology as a case study to discuss good and bad practises in analyising ecological data.

Abstract:

Studies in ecology are often describing observed variations in a certain ecological phenomenon by use of environmental explanatory variables. A common problem is that the numerical nature of the ecological phenomenon does not always fit the assumptions underlying traditional statistical tests. A text book example comes from pollination ecology where flower visits are normally reported as frequencies; number of visits per flower per unit time. Using visitation frequencies in statistical analyses comes with two major caveats: the lack of knowledge on its error distribution and that it does not include all information found in the data; 10 flower visits in 20 flowers is treated the same as recording 100 visits in 200 flowers. We simulated datasets with various "flower visitation distributions" over various numbers of flowers observed (exposure) and with different types of effects inducing variation in the data. The different datasets were then analyzed first with the traditional approach using number of visits per flower and then by using count data models. The analysis of count data gave a much better chance of detecting effects than the traditionally used frequency approach. We conclude that if the data structure, statistical analyses and interpretations of results are mixed up, valuable information can be lost.

Original Source:

Reitan T, Nielsen A (2016) Do Not Divide Count Data with Count Data; A Story from Pollination Ecology with Implications Beyond. PLoS ONE 11(2): e0149129. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0149129

Reporting back from the "Policies for Sustainable Pollination in Europe" workshop

Mon, 07 Mar 2016 12:59:00 +0200

The workshop Policies for Sustainable Pollination in Europe was a key step in the dissemination work programme for Super-B. Two policy areas were identified to focus on: the Common Agricultural Policy and the European Union Biodiversity Strategy (Biodiversity 2020). Specific actions are planned to help SuperB inform these policies with timely and relevant evidence.

Full report from the meeting, available here.

North American Pollinator Protection Campaign: Call for Research Proposals Related to Honey Bee Health

Mon, 25 Jan 2016 17:35:00 +0200

The North American Pollinator Protection Campaign (NAPPC) is seeking proposals for research related to improving the health of honey bees. Proposals should focus on research to manage, suppress, and eradicate Varroa mites, small hive beetles, and other pests, pathogens, and diseases contributing to colony losses. Summaries of previously funded projects can be found at http://pollinator.org/honeybee_health.htm. Review and selection of proposals will be conducted by members of the Honey Bee Health Task Force.

The NAPPC anticipates supporting several proposals, students and post-doctoral research fellows are encouraged to apply. Funds must be used within a one-year period. Focused, targeted projects with a high likelihood of providing tangible results that can be applied to improving bee health are preferred. Proposals providing valuable extensions of previously funded projects will be considered. Principal investigators of funded projects will be expected to present the results at the 2016 NAPPC meeting. Conference travel and registration costs may be taken from the grant award.

Priority Areas

The Honey Bee Health Task Force has identified seven priority areas for funding, though other areas will be considered as well.

Effects of pathogens and pests on honey bee behavior, physiology and/or colony health; including the development of novel methods to mitigate these effects, such as RNAi technology.
Effects of nutrition on pest, pathogen, and disease incidence.
Effects of pesticides on pest, pathogen, and disease incidence.
Effects of parasite and pathogen spillover from other bee species to honey bees.
Development of approaches for genetic stock improvement of honey bee populations to enhance resistance to pathogens and parasites.
Effects of climate or environmental variables on pest, pathogen, and disease incidence.
The development of diagnostics or indicators for the presence of pests, pathogens and diseases that affect honey bee health, particularly those that can be used by beekeepers.

More information on how to apply is available here.

Bees & Pollination Course in Costa Rica (not COST related)

Thu, 12 Nov 2015 14:05:00 +0200

The international course "BEES AND POLLINATION" (not COST related) is an in-depth study of the relationship between bees and flowering plants. The course will take place from 16 until 26 August 2016 at the Universidad Nacional (UNA) in Costa Rica.

Students will carry out observations in the field and in the lab on flower biology and bee behaviour. In addition to the pollination function of bees we will study general bee biology and behaviour.

More information about this course and how to register is available in the flyer here.

All-Ireland Pollinator Plan 2015-2020 is released

Wed, 11 Nov 2015 12:27:00 +0200

On the 17th September 2015 Ireland joined a small number of countries in Europe who have developed a strategy to address pollinator decline and protect pollination service. Sixty-eight governmental and non-governmental organisations have agreed a shared Plan that identifies 81 actions to make Ireland pollinator friendly.

Thhe Plan is available to view and download here.

SUPER-B MC meeting, WG sessions & Dissemination Workshop in Malta is on

Fri, 06 Nov 2015 14:24:00 +0200

The second annual Super-B meeting in Paola, Malta was a resounding success. It is clear that Super-B is stimulating many new collaborations and activities, within and beyond Europe. You could say it is generating a buzz among pollinator scientists and stakeholders.

Great progress was made in Malta by all the Working Groups, including a workshop on apple pollination now planned by Working Groups 1 and 2, fantastic progress on a European survey of farmers and beekeepers by Working Group 3, a horizon scan of future issues for pollinators completed and a wild bee pathogen screening study planned by Working Group 4.

Fighting decline of pollinators in Europe: STEP project final outputs

Thu, 18 Jun 2015 14:19:00 +0300

At the end of the project's 5 year research programme STEP published the "Climatic Risk and Distribution Atlas of European Bumblebees" and a Final STEP Brochure, featuring the project's case studies and key findings.

The atlas, published as a special issue of the open access journal BioRisk, breaks new ground in assessing the risks of climate change for European bumblebees. Climate change has been identified as one of the main threats to this group and the atlas provides the most comprehensive evaluation of the likely consequences this will have.

A number of additional case studies and key project research findings are included in the final STEP brochure, designed to provide stakeholders a collection of synthesised project results.

STEP Final Brochure

Download on STEP webpage

Climatic Risk and Distribution Atlas of European Bumblebees

doi: 10.3897/biorisk.10.4749

Celebrating Pollinator Week 2015

Wed, 17 Jun 2015 12:06:00 +0300

The Pollinator Partnership announces its signature initiative, Pollinator Week, which has reached significant new milestones in 2015. Established in 2007, Pollinator Week has grown exponentially in scope each year with this year U.S. Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack and U.S. Secretary of the Interior Sally Jewell, proclaiming June 15-23 as Pollinator Week. In an unprecedented act of vision and solidarity, ALL 50 state governors have proclaimed Pollinator Week in their states as a time to celebrate and protect the nation’s pollinating animals (here is a complete list of State proclamations and events).

Pollinators, such as bees, butterflies, birds and other animals bring us one in every three bites of food, protect our environment. They form the underpinnings of a healthy and sustainable future. From Boulder, CO, where four masters of the classical Japanese bamboo flute "tweeted" the premier of original honey-bee themed music to the Honolulu Zoo’s Pollinator Party to tours of underground geothermally protected honey bee hives in Maine – Americans have put their ingenuity, creativity and drive into supporting pollinator health, an issue that they are doing something about!

Efforts during Pollinator Week, and indeed year-round, are working to reverse and prevent pollinator declines caused by loss of habitat, disease, pesticides, parasites and other interconnected assaults on pollinator populations. Laurie Davies Adams, Executive Director of the Pollinator Partnership, said, "It’s appropriate to see the highest levels of government as well as grassroots actions by individuals and communities taking action for pollinators. There are over 130 events taking place around the world for Pollinator Week 2015 - We applaud everyone participating. It’s a great starting point for actions, large and small, that support the future of our pollinators, our food supply, and our environment."

We'll meet again!

Fri, 08 May 2015 11:01:00 +0300

New chance to meet and discuss Super-B issues! On 4, 5, 6 November 2015, Mario Balzan (MC Member Malta) is hosting this year's MC meeting and WG sessions. Super-B members will be informed about these upcoming meetings through email, before the Summer!

Super-B policy workshop

Fri, 06 Mar 2015 13:29:00 +0200

Thanks to all those who attended the Super-B policy workshop on Tuesday 3 March. We had a productive day, with hard work and some intense discussions. Luckily, we also managed to have some fun at the end. The main policy opportunities discussed were the Common Agricultural Policy (evaluation and reform) and the European Biodiversity 2020 Strategy. There are clear opportunities for SuperB to feed into these policies. We will follow up with details of when and how.

What policies can support sustainable pollination in Europe?

Wed, 04 Feb 2015 16:06:00 +0200

The Super-B policy workshop - Policies for Sustainable Pollination in Europe - will take place on Tuesday 3 March 2015, in Brussels. In preparation, we are looking for suggestions of forthcoming policy opportunities to support pollination in urban and rural environments. During the day, we will consider how and when Super-B should present relevant evidence to inform these policies.

If you are aware of policy opportunities between now and 2019, please contact Lynn Dicks (lvd22@cam.ac.uk). The main focus is at European level, but we are also interested to hear about regional, national or wider international opportunities to develop policy that helps sustain pollination services.

To find out more about the workshop, click on the Super-B CALENDAR entry, bottom right →

Super-B Training School 'Methods for Pathogen Detection in non-Apis pollinators’,

Mon, 26 Jan 2015 09:57:00 +0200

Super-B project is organising a Training School 'Methods for Pathogen Detection in non-Apis pollinators’, which will take place from March 2 to March 6 in Halle, Germany.

Those who want to participate in the training school should contact Super-B at super-b@naturalis.nl.

The deadline for registration is February 2!

Only 20 people can participate and will receive reimbursement. If more than 20 people are interested in participating, the training school organisers will make a selection based on gender, country, early state researcher and diversity in general. This will be communicated to those involved before February 10.

Those selected will receive an official e-cost invite via noreply@cost.eu, with a link to the reimbursement form. Reimbursement is only possible after the training school. Signing the attendance list on every day of the training school is obligatory. Please read the COST Vademecum part 1 on rules concerning reimbursement.

Report from Rome - the first Super-B meeting

Fri, 23 Jan 2015 19:13:00 +0200

The first Super-B meeting was held in Rome on the 4^th and 5^th November. As you can see, we met in a beautiful Roman palace, now the home of the FAI, Fedreazione Apicoltori Italiani. 65 scientists attended from more than 31 countries, mostly in Europe, but including Kenya, New Zealand and the USA.

On the first day, the Dissemination Working Group made plans for our initial policy workshop. This will identify opportunities for evidence and guidance from SuperB to feed into policies being developed at European level between 2015 and 2018. The workshop is set for Tuesday 3 March 2015.

At the Management Committee meeting we learned that 31 countries are now represented in the network.

On the second day, Working Groups met to develop work programmes on: the value of pollination, delivering pollination services, mitigating pollination loss and understanding drivers of pollination change. Some exciting workshops, activities and short term visits are planned, including an effort to develop standard monitoring protocols for pollinators and pollination, and a focus on data sharing and access.

We need your vote today for the Super-B Work & Budget Plan!

Thu, 28 Aug 2014 09:53:00 +0300

The Core Group (chair, vice chair & the WG leaders) finally completed the Super-B Work & Budget plan for year 1. You can read it here. Next, the procedure is as follows:

With this email, the chair asks all MC members to accept or reject this Work & Budget plan, by mailing your vote to super-b@naturalis.nl .
Only 1 vote per country! So please agree with the other MC members in your country first, then choose 1 MC member per country who emails the chair what your country decides (that makes it a lot easier for us too!) and cc your fellow country members.
The deadline for voting is this Sunday, May 31, at Midnight.
The decision will be based on the majority of votes.
No answer from your country = you accept.
If the MC accepts the plan, it will be send to COST next week.

Mark your calendars for the first annual Super-B MC & WG meetings, to be held in Rome, Italy, November 4 and 5, 2014!

Thu, 28 Aug 2014 09:49:00 +0300

Followed by the Apimondia ApiEcoFlora symposium, which is held at the same location on 6-8 November, the Super-B meetings aim to build and further a vibrant Super-B community by bringing together interested people from science, policy and industry who have a responsibility or interest in the broad field of pollinators and pollination.

All Super-B members are invited to participate in the meetings, however only MC members can attend the MC meeting, and reimbursements may not cover travel and accommodation completely. More on that and on the conference venue and program in our next newsletter!

Important caveat: Super-B has not received the COST grant yet. Of course we'll let you know as soon as possible when we do!